Last time I was preparing to say I am sorry for you and what happened in Serbia (I sincerely am), but it's good I didn't. It is clear now you never thought NOT to wage war. You just need to kill some people and to enjoy that. In this case I have to remind you that you lost. A, and yes: the Russians have destroyed all the Ukrainian planes many many times so far, and all of the armored vehicles several times also. No lies here, for sure.
I didn't say you killed for fun, you said it. What I just said was that you should have considered NOT to wage a war. But you didn't. Even now it is not crossing your mind that you should have not started a war in the first place. And Ukraine has done nothing to you. But you cheer Russia here just because you can and because you hate NATO. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it; it doesn't mean it is truth or you are right. So if people here don't take your Russian sources as God, as you do, it's their right as well. Happy Easter!
Why to give Serbia weapons? To destroy all the other nations in Yugoslavia? It's like giving everything to Russia, to destroy the entire Ukraine. Oh, wait. This is what you want.
A lot of people can read Russian sources. The issue is what you buy from there and what you do not. You are a good example of the propaganda success. For everyone to understand that Putin will not lose support.
Flanker doesn't know Russian/Ukrainian or just doesn't have great reading capabilities. There are thousands of Ukrainian civilians reported as captured, including a list of about 19 000 children. When it comes to military, Russia violates international law (surprise!) and doesn't communicate the names of prisoners, but it is estimated that the real number is not around 4 500 as communicated by Moscow, but more likely around 8 000. That would cover a part of the approximately 15 000 Ukrainian soldiers reported as disappeared. 30 000 Ukrainian soldiers in captivity is obviously stupid and unrealistic, so it makes sense that a Putinist would suggest such non-sense.
Ukraine has less Russian captives because Russians like to die more than to be captured, perhaps believing their own propaganda. That's why so many commit suicide on the battlefield. Still, the Ukrainian authorities have announced the opening of a third POW camp, so I guess there are not so few of them.
Also, about 2 500 POWs from both sides have been exchanged since the beginning of the war...
>"Not true. There were 3.500-4.000 captured in Mariupol"
-- What is not true? 3.5 or 4K make more than a half of 5600.
>"means absolutely nothing to me"
-- That's a UN report. Which other proofs do you believe to be reliable? A video of cutting off head? Or you think that Russian soldiers behave better than Russian police?
Regarding 15,000 MIA. That figure has been announced in the December 2022 (along with the number of POW: 3,400) and then has been repeated unchanged by press and by some officials (incl. the Minister of Internal Affairs in 2023). There is a strong opinion that large if not the most part of 15,000 were KIA, unfortunately.
Publications based on the research, not rumors are rare due to the fog of war, of course.
A couple of articles from the experts who study the subject since 2014. Highly recommended:
Usually when there's a strike on a system containing some sort of rockets there's a characteristic cookoff after the hit. This seemed to be missing in this strike.
Many times I simply do not have the time to cross-check what are the Russians claiming. Primarily because the mass of their 'evidence' is no evidence at all. Their claim for 'destruction of IRIS-T SAM-site' is a good example: I can't make out what have they hit there. Thus, I'm leaving it to readers to decide.
But hey: I've explained that Ukraine has already lost this war - because the Russians captured another destroyed M1 Abrams.
And, as must be obvious to everybody after two years of this fracas: everything is developing along the plan. Precisely, and systematically. Here you have Pudding saying so, back in early March 2022:
1. The nazis are gone and irrelevant for this discussion.
The funny thing is that the new would-be nazis in Europe are actually financed by the Kremlin mafia.
2. Putin is the one who was making fools of the rest of Europe and some still believe his fairy tales. Around 30% my country's population would vote for his clowns according to recent polls.
3. My country and my grandfathers were on the side of the nazis and I am infinitely thankful to both the US allies army and the Soviet army that they lost. And I know many people from eastern and southeastern Europe who are happy to having been liberated from both nazi and later from soviet terror and now live in what is called democracy. And I hope to live to the day when both Ukraine and Russia will be liberated from the rascist terror regime hiding in the Kremlin.
I know and I wonder what exactly they are hoping for.
Which benefits do you expect from a victory of Putin that justifies the destruction of Mariupol, Charkiv and other cities and the raping and bombing of civilians?
Your comment about Poles being on Nazi side suggests major deficiencies of the knowledge of the region. Soviet terror in Poland was implemented by Soviets and Nazis working together:
You said that supplying Ukraine with F-16 jets would not make the huge difference on the battlefield. However, Russia was able to successfully make UMPK glide bombs and Ukraine could do nothing with that. So, will Ukraine be able to launch 100+ JDAM glide bombs daily after receiving F-16 jets? Or it is very dangerous due to Russian S-400 SAMs? Are JDAM-ER glide bombs better that Russian UMPK glide bombs?
Let's suppose that each F-16 can carry two heavy JDAMs (2000lb version).
If we suppose that there are six jets available for such a mission (and six more escort F-16), that gives a dozen JDAMs per sortie.
So, supposing two sorties per day, we would expect at best two dozen JDAMs per day, under ideal conditions.
Do you want a hundred JDAMs hitting Russian positions per day? You need more than fifty F-16s in flying condition and manned, in order to do both bombing runs and cover against ground-based air defence and Sukhois
To give a sense of human resources needed, a Eurofighter Typhoon squadron (about a dozen jets) needs approximately 200 ground personnel to support its operations when moving around.
So, for four (minimum) squadrons needed for the amount of tonnage to throw at the enemy, you would need 800+ ground personnel to support, maintain, rearm these jets and sustain a high tempo of operations (and that's not discussing the logistics for spare parts, weapons, fuel etc). It's not only pilots who need training and support.
In practice, because your air force will suffer losses, you need at least six squadrons, in order to be able to absorb losses, retrain and rotate units while using these airframes in war operations.
If I was tasked with rebuilding the Ukraine air force, I would have started an effort to train 100+ new English-speaking air cadets two years ago, plus a group of 1000 ground personnel. That's a great monetary and time cost (if I remember correctly, training a new pilot costs around 12 million USD per pilot in western air forces).
The problem with creating a new air force is that you don't have the luxury to make basic training, then send the crews to battle immediately. The losses of crews and jets will be extremely high before they accumulate enough experience and survive
Nope, i can't substantiante my claim. It's only a gut feeling, that the involved parties will find a efficient solution. But sure, it's still expensive.
Hi Tom, Thanks for the post. Regarding NATO surveillance in the air around Ukraine and the Black sea. I guess Ukraine can get very detailed coordinates about in which area RU have their air defence and other important objects. Do they get this intelligence 24/7? What can you say about that ?
Ty for the updates Tom. Impressive work by the 3rd SSO! Cant wait for them to receive the Shark UAV so they can make more Russian stuff go kaboom. Anyways thanks again and can’t wait for your next post.
Once again. I feel sorry that NATO had to bomb Serbia (wish it was a another solution) and I am sorry for your family losses. But don't speak here like Serbia was a nice friendly country and NATO started bombing all of a sudden. This is simply very far from truth. And what about the documented war crimes of Serbia?
You're saying this as if 80 years is a second. It only looks that way on the pages of a history textbook. I was a child at the time but from what I've read I do think the international intervention came too late and that all sides commited as many altrocities as their capabilities allowed them. Serbia just happened to have the highest capability.
That said, this is in the past. The altrocities stopped, to the point where people are bickering now over who should be mayor. Sure, I guess that's important but not to a "will I be killed or raped tomorrow by a random soldier" kind of level. Would it have happened without NATO intervention? We can argue but we'll never truly know - whether NATO's intervention was justified is a question for historians and moral philosophers. It's an important question but irrelevant to the current situation.
Ukraine, on the other hand, is being invaded now, altrocities are being committed right now. That is not in the past, and cannot be justified by the past. Justifying current atroticies by quoting past altrocities is a way of thinking that got us WW2. This way of thinking needs to die for good, and it's a practical concern for every living human, not for philosophers - as anything else gets us all killed en masse.
First, NATO intervention in Serbia has nothing to do with the first or second world war. Just with the civil war in the 90s. IMO it was done with the intention to speed the end of the war, which happened exactly.
Second, NATO did not occupy any part of Serbia and did not interfere with Serbia's independence.
I do not agree with your statement that Serbs are primitive. Yes, Serbia is now behind, but just because of the bad historical and geographical circumstances. It's not genetic, like I told in another thread on another topic. However, IMO your place is in Europe and this will bring you progress. Not cheering Russia. Russia is no progress Maybe your parents can explain you that Yugoslavia had a much better situation than the other communist countries, because Tito was more independent from the Soviet Union than the rest, and closer to the West.
Also, a quick search on Internet will show you a list of Russian military campaigns, which proves that Russia has always been an imperial power, not different from other imperial powers, and with the main aim to dominate, not to help.
Last but not least, Ukraine is among the countries that do not recognize the independence of Kosovo.
You keep writing about millions of Serbs killed, so I don't understand anymore what you want. Obviously it was not NATO who killed them. Also you have admitted before that Serbs commites crimes in the civil war, but now you say Serbia didn't threat anyone. I think it's clear what happened, and it's totally different from what is happening in Ukraine. Even you can understand it, but you don't want to admit it.
I guess we all know Serbia is in Europe and it is all clear what I meant - but you seem so oriented towards the "non-imperial" Russia that I hope you will move there one day.
You even do not inform yourself enough in order to understand what Russia is doing, because you just like them, so you are definitely biased.
Regarding Tito - can you deny that the situation was better in Yugoslavia than in the rest of the communist countries? It is a fact (I am not a fan of Tito). You also seem to dislike some mass murderers when it is convenient to you but to cheer other mass murderers (eg Putin) because they seem to be on your side (btw, they are not, you are too small for them. They just want to be friends with the Americans). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
What of all the events that led up to the NATO intervention?
Russia, Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia...it's amazing how all the authoritarian governments are victims of a worldwide conspiracy. No wonder they're justified.
Thank you! Even if sometimes seems to no avail, I think we should not give up explaining. Communication with the people with opposing opinions is very important. For both sides.
It does seem futile when some people squeal with glee while millions of lives are uprooted and thousands die, all to spread authoritarian rule to as many people as possible. I wonder how these people think it will benefit them.
It's classic Russian narrative. Serbian nationalist follow it faithfully: their nation have never made anything bad, no massacres - it was just defense, other party always attacked first, etc. Fortunately, unlike in Russia, there is good portion of Serbs who aren't like that.
1st balkan war was most definitely offensive. Sure, it was a liberation war and such, but that does not make it defensive.
2nd balkan war... to be frank, as a Bulgarian I learned at school how Bulgaria was "forced" to attack, and was in fact the victim. Later I read some real history and realized that was bullshit. Ferdinand was just an idiot and nobody forced him to be such. Just like nobody is forcing Putin right now. Nationalist propaganda is a really dumb idea and sadly still exists in subtle ways everywhere.
Actually I think that's exactly why this war is happening. Yes, from Putin's speaches and interviews it's obvious that for him events decades, centuries and even millenia are a factor in his decisions. But it's his personal choice to make them a factor.
If history was as deterministic as to preclude personal choice we'd already be at WW15 or something, you can definitely find enough "just causes" for this in history that you'd expect to lead to inevitable war but various leaders looked at those and said "Nah, war isn't my cup of tea".
2. “Bridgehead” at Siversky Donets channel id not a classical one. This channel goes underground in 2-3 places, hardly mined of course. But ru had found a place less mined and “bridgeheaded” it
DEAD. I like that. I REALLY like that. That is a proper mindset to have in a war like this. Given Russian issues with replacing high-tech gear, DEAD works a hell of a lot better. More holes, more gaps, maybe the RUAF moves up some A-50s to close them or try and cover them? And then we have more opportunity for all sorts of fun things.
Nobody is forcing you to read Tom's reports so get lost orc.
Only unscrupulous rascals support Russia.
Sure. Alas the like of you are numerous. This is the everlasting battle of good and evil.
You mean like between the Jedi and the Sith ?
Don't upset Elena, you orc.
Last time I was preparing to say I am sorry for you and what happened in Serbia (I sincerely am), but it's good I didn't. It is clear now you never thought NOT to wage war. You just need to kill some people and to enjoy that. In this case I have to remind you that you lost. A, and yes: the Russians have destroyed all the Ukrainian planes many many times so far, and all of the armored vehicles several times also. No lies here, for sure.
I didn't say you killed for fun, you said it. What I just said was that you should have considered NOT to wage a war. But you didn't. Even now it is not crossing your mind that you should have not started a war in the first place. And Ukraine has done nothing to you. But you cheer Russia here just because you can and because you hate NATO. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it; it doesn't mean it is truth or you are right. So if people here don't take your Russian sources as God, as you do, it's their right as well. Happy Easter!
Why to give Serbia weapons? To destroy all the other nations in Yugoslavia? It's like giving everything to Russia, to destroy the entire Ukraine. Oh, wait. This is what you want.
> Let’s ignore that there are 30.000 Ukr in Russian captivity
-- Where did you get the number from?
Would you please bring in a few links to the articles?
10000 is not 30000.
A Russian tg channel with a journalist quoting a qualified info is not a very reliable source.
A lot of people can read Russian sources. The issue is what you buy from there and what you do not. You are a good example of the propaganda success. For everyone to understand that Putin will not lose support.
Maybe the 30000 children abducted by the russians?
15000 were declared MiA as of autumn 23.
Flanker doesn't know Russian/Ukrainian or just doesn't have great reading capabilities. There are thousands of Ukrainian civilians reported as captured, including a list of about 19 000 children. When it comes to military, Russia violates international law (surprise!) and doesn't communicate the names of prisoners, but it is estimated that the real number is not around 4 500 as communicated by Moscow, but more likely around 8 000. That would cover a part of the approximately 15 000 Ukrainian soldiers reported as disappeared. 30 000 Ukrainian soldiers in captivity is obviously stupid and unrealistic, so it makes sense that a Putinist would suggest such non-sense.
Ukraine has less Russian captives because Russians like to die more than to be captured, perhaps believing their own propaganda. That's why so many commit suicide on the battlefield. Still, the Ukrainian authorities have announced the opening of a third POW camp, so I guess there are not so few of them.
Also, about 2 500 POWs from both sides have been exchanged since the beginning of the war...
> "by June 3rd 2022. there were 5.600 captured soldiers"
-- Most of them (5000?) were defenders of Azovstal, some were captured in the first days of the assault.
>"there is absolutely ZERO evidence of torturing or whatever bs western media and organizations claim - ZERO!"
https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/coiukraine/A-78-540-AEV.pdf
>"Not true. There were 3.500-4.000 captured in Mariupol"
-- What is not true? 3.5 or 4K make more than a half of 5600.
>"means absolutely nothing to me"
-- That's a UN report. Which other proofs do you believe to be reliable? A video of cutting off head? Or you think that Russian soldiers behave better than Russian police?
Is this any better?
https://meduza.io/news/2024/01/08/otnosyatsya-kak-k-skotu-deyan-berich-zaverbovavshiy-serbov-v-armiyu-rf-pozhalovalsya-chto-rossiyskie-komandiry-izdevayutsya-nad-naemnikami
Or this one?
https://meduza.io/feature/2024/02/15/ty-priezzhaesh-syuda-na-smert-popolnit-kollektsiyu-trupov
> ZERO evidence of torturing
I personally know witnesses of the massacres of civilians in Irpin and Butcha. Don't tell me there is no proof.
The victims are dead.
Which proof do you have that the massacres did not take place?
Regarding 15,000 MIA. That figure has been announced in the December 2022 (along with the number of POW: 3,400) and then has been repeated unchanged by press and by some officials (incl. the Minister of Internal Affairs in 2023). There is a strong opinion that large if not the most part of 15,000 were KIA, unfortunately.
Publications based on the research, not rumors are rare due to the fog of war, of course.
A couple of articles from the experts who study the subject since 2014. Highly recommended:
https://tyzhden.ua/oboronozdatnist-lyshaietsia-nepokhytnoiu-bojovi-j-nebojovi-vtraty-ukrainy-u-2022-2023-rokakh-ii/
https://tyzhden.ua/bojovi-ta-nebojovi-vtraty-ukrainy-u-2022-2023-rokakh/
P.S. We should not feed the troll, should we?
No we should not. Hand him his dunce cap and let him go sit in the corner…..
probably he also counts those who were murdered during surrender.
Usually when there's a strike on a system containing some sort of rockets there's a characteristic cookoff after the hit. This seemed to be missing in this strike.
Many times I simply do not have the time to cross-check what are the Russians claiming. Primarily because the mass of their 'evidence' is no evidence at all. Their claim for 'destruction of IRIS-T SAM-site' is a good example: I can't make out what have they hit there. Thus, I'm leaving it to readers to decide.
But hey: I've explained that Ukraine has already lost this war - because the Russians captured another destroyed M1 Abrams.
And, as must be obvious to everybody after two years of this fracas: everything is developing along the plan. Precisely, and systematically. Here you have Pudding saying so, back in early March 2022:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pA9Wf4_RrM
So, actually: no idea why do you complain?
Troops? What Russian troops? ....and that in Ukraine?
It was militia fighters only. Little Green Men. Perhaps 50 of them.
Is that confirming your decision to call me Mr. Truth now?
Oh, thanks: you've made it more than obvious you do not understand what am I doing.
interesting specimen. Not a troll paid by the RS but apparently really buying into the rascist fairy tales and the coming kingdom of messiah Putin.
Yet strange that having been the victim of NATO aggression you now take the side of the aggressor and not of the victim.
1. The nazis are gone and irrelevant for this discussion.
The funny thing is that the new would-be nazis in Europe are actually financed by the Kremlin mafia.
2. Putin is the one who was making fools of the rest of Europe and some still believe his fairy tales. Around 30% my country's population would vote for his clowns according to recent polls.
3. My country and my grandfathers were on the side of the nazis and I am infinitely thankful to both the US allies army and the Soviet army that they lost. And I know many people from eastern and southeastern Europe who are happy to having been liberated from both nazi and later from soviet terror and now live in what is called democracy. And I hope to live to the day when both Ukraine and Russia will be liberated from the rascist terror regime hiding in the Kremlin.
I know and I wonder what exactly they are hoping for.
Which benefits do you expect from a victory of Putin that justifies the destruction of Mariupol, Charkiv and other cities and the raping and bombing of civilians?
Your comment about Poles being on Nazi side suggests major deficiencies of the knowledge of the region. Soviet terror in Poland was implemented by Soviets and Nazis working together:
1. In September of 1939, Nazi Germany and Soviet Union have allied to invade Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact)
2. On 22.09.1939, Wehrmacht and Red Army have held a military parade together (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk)
3. From 1939 to 1940 NKVD and Gestapo have run several conferences together aimed at suppressing Polish Resistance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo%E2%80%93NKVD_conferences)
4. For the reasons given above Poles had the right to hate Soviets, yet, contrary to many other countries (including Serbia), Poland has not formed any Waffen SS troops (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts)
5. Soviet and Nazi cooperation continued after war. Nazi scientists have been essential for development of post WWII Soviet military industry. For our esteemed host: here's the story of the real father of Soviet rocketry, Helmut Gröttrup (in Polish: https://eksperymentmyslowy.pl/2024/03/23/wspolnota-czerwieni-cz-55/; https://eksperymentmyslowy.pl/2024/03/28/wspolnota-czerwieni-cz-56/; https://eksperymentmyslowy.pl/2024/04/05/wspolnota-czerwieni-cz-57/)
Your answers are proof that you are a paid troll.
yes, you ran out of arguments quite quickly.
Hi, Tom!
You said that supplying Ukraine with F-16 jets would not make the huge difference on the battlefield. However, Russia was able to successfully make UMPK glide bombs and Ukraine could do nothing with that. So, will Ukraine be able to launch 100+ JDAM glide bombs daily after receiving F-16 jets? Or it is very dangerous due to Russian S-400 SAMs? Are JDAM-ER glide bombs better that Russian UMPK glide bombs?
lol with what ? 4 to 6 F-16 ? And with a maximum of 50 bombs per months if everything is going well?
Just to make sure, have you checked these three features?
https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/q-and-a-regarding-f-16s-for-ukraine
https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/q-and-a-regarding-f-16s-for-ukraine-51d
https://xxtomcooperxx.substack.com/p/q-and-a-regarding-f-16-for-ukraine
Especially the Part 3 is providing a direct answer to your question.
Let's suppose that each F-16 can carry two heavy JDAMs (2000lb version).
If we suppose that there are six jets available for such a mission (and six more escort F-16), that gives a dozen JDAMs per sortie.
So, supposing two sorties per day, we would expect at best two dozen JDAMs per day, under ideal conditions.
Do you want a hundred JDAMs hitting Russian positions per day? You need more than fifty F-16s in flying condition and manned, in order to do both bombing runs and cover against ground-based air defence and Sukhois
To give a sense of human resources needed, a Eurofighter Typhoon squadron (about a dozen jets) needs approximately 200 ground personnel to support its operations when moving around.
So, for four (minimum) squadrons needed for the amount of tonnage to throw at the enemy, you would need 800+ ground personnel to support, maintain, rearm these jets and sustain a high tempo of operations (and that's not discussing the logistics for spare parts, weapons, fuel etc). It's not only pilots who need training and support.
In practice, because your air force will suffer losses, you need at least six squadrons, in order to be able to absorb losses, retrain and rotate units while using these airframes in war operations.
If I was tasked with rebuilding the Ukraine air force, I would have started an effort to train 100+ new English-speaking air cadets two years ago, plus a group of 1000 ground personnel. That's a great monetary and time cost (if I remember correctly, training a new pilot costs around 12 million USD per pilot in western air forces).
I guess in wartime, you will go for a 80/20 solution. That makes your numbers less scary.
Can you expand into this, please?
I don't understand your argument.
The problem with creating a new air force is that you don't have the luxury to make basic training, then send the crews to battle immediately. The losses of crews and jets will be extremely high before they accumulate enough experience and survive
Nope, i can't substantiante my claim. It's only a gut feeling, that the involved parties will find a efficient solution. But sure, it's still expensive.
Hi Tom, Thanks for the post. Regarding NATO surveillance in the air around Ukraine and the Black sea. I guess Ukraine can get very detailed coordinates about in which area RU have their air defence and other important objects. Do they get this intelligence 24/7? What can you say about that ?
Brgds Christian
Ty for the updates Tom. Impressive work by the 3rd SSO! Cant wait for them to receive the Shark UAV so they can make more Russian stuff go kaboom. Anyways thanks again and can’t wait for your next post.
Meanwhile an official investigation has been started in the 115 brigade.
https://suspilne.media/donbas/737553-u-115-j-brigadi-vidreaguvali-na-zvinuvacenna-pro-krah-oboroni-oceretinogo-na-doneccini/
How it reflects on the combat effectiveness of the brigade nobody knows.
Good news about hitting and destroying important Russian targets.
Thank you very much.
Once again. I feel sorry that NATO had to bomb Serbia (wish it was a another solution) and I am sorry for your family losses. But don't speak here like Serbia was a nice friendly country and NATO started bombing all of a sudden. This is simply very far from truth. And what about the documented war crimes of Serbia?
You're saying this as if 80 years is a second. It only looks that way on the pages of a history textbook. I was a child at the time but from what I've read I do think the international intervention came too late and that all sides commited as many altrocities as their capabilities allowed them. Serbia just happened to have the highest capability.
That said, this is in the past. The altrocities stopped, to the point where people are bickering now over who should be mayor. Sure, I guess that's important but not to a "will I be killed or raped tomorrow by a random soldier" kind of level. Would it have happened without NATO intervention? We can argue but we'll never truly know - whether NATO's intervention was justified is a question for historians and moral philosophers. It's an important question but irrelevant to the current situation.
Ukraine, on the other hand, is being invaded now, altrocities are being committed right now. That is not in the past, and cannot be justified by the past. Justifying current atroticies by quoting past altrocities is a way of thinking that got us WW2. This way of thinking needs to die for good, and it's a practical concern for every living human, not for philosophers - as anything else gets us all killed en masse.
First, NATO intervention in Serbia has nothing to do with the first or second world war. Just with the civil war in the 90s. IMO it was done with the intention to speed the end of the war, which happened exactly.
Second, NATO did not occupy any part of Serbia and did not interfere with Serbia's independence.
I do not agree with your statement that Serbs are primitive. Yes, Serbia is now behind, but just because of the bad historical and geographical circumstances. It's not genetic, like I told in another thread on another topic. However, IMO your place is in Europe and this will bring you progress. Not cheering Russia. Russia is no progress Maybe your parents can explain you that Yugoslavia had a much better situation than the other communist countries, because Tito was more independent from the Soviet Union than the rest, and closer to the West.
Also, a quick search on Internet will show you a list of Russian military campaigns, which proves that Russia has always been an imperial power, not different from other imperial powers, and with the main aim to dominate, not to help.
Last but not least, Ukraine is among the countries that do not recognize the independence of Kosovo.
You keep writing about millions of Serbs killed, so I don't understand anymore what you want. Obviously it was not NATO who killed them. Also you have admitted before that Serbs commites crimes in the civil war, but now you say Serbia didn't threat anyone. I think it's clear what happened, and it's totally different from what is happening in Ukraine. Even you can understand it, but you don't want to admit it.
I guess we all know Serbia is in Europe and it is all clear what I meant - but you seem so oriented towards the "non-imperial" Russia that I hope you will move there one day.
You even do not inform yourself enough in order to understand what Russia is doing, because you just like them, so you are definitely biased.
Regarding Tito - can you deny that the situation was better in Yugoslavia than in the rest of the communist countries? It is a fact (I am not a fan of Tito). You also seem to dislike some mass murderers when it is convenient to you but to cheer other mass murderers (eg Putin) because they seem to be on your side (btw, they are not, you are too small for them. They just want to be friends with the Americans). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia
What of all the events that led up to the NATO intervention?
Russia, Serbia, Hungary, Slovakia...it's amazing how all the authoritarian governments are victims of a worldwide conspiracy. No wonder they're justified.
I was trying to reply to Flanker, from Serbia. You should reply to him. He wrote many things about Serbia and NATO.
I understand. I was trying to support your statement.
Thank you! Even if sometimes seems to no avail, I think we should not give up explaining. Communication with the people with opposing opinions is very important. For both sides.
It does seem futile when some people squeal with glee while millions of lives are uprooted and thousands die, all to spread authoritarian rule to as many people as possible. I wonder how these people think it will benefit them.
It's classic Russian narrative. Serbian nationalist follow it faithfully: their nation have never made anything bad, no massacres - it was just defense, other party always attacked first, etc. Fortunately, unlike in Russia, there is good portion of Serbs who aren't like that.
1st balkan war was most definitely offensive. Sure, it was a liberation war and such, but that does not make it defensive.
2nd balkan war... to be frank, as a Bulgarian I learned at school how Bulgaria was "forced" to attack, and was in fact the victim. Later I read some real history and realized that was bullshit. Ferdinand was just an idiot and nobody forced him to be such. Just like nobody is forcing Putin right now. Nationalist propaganda is a really dumb idea and sadly still exists in subtle ways everywhere.
Actually I think that's exactly why this war is happening. Yes, from Putin's speaches and interviews it's obvious that for him events decades, centuries and even millenia are a factor in his decisions. But it's his personal choice to make them a factor.
If history was as deterministic as to preclude personal choice we'd already be at WW15 or something, you can definitely find enough "just causes" for this in history that you'd expect to lead to inevitable war but various leaders looked at those and said "Nah, war isn't my cup of tea".
May the 4th be with them!
Thanks for the report Tom interesting
Thank you, as always. Village, however, is called Krynky, not Krymky.
Thanks Tom. A much more positive end to the week and another comprehensive and entertaining report.
It’ll be interesting to see if the recent DEAD activities will be followed by SAM air sniping again. Fingers crossed!
Thank you Tom. Impressed with your consistency and (high) quality of the analysis of this war.
Grateful for the support of the defense. That's really is putting one's money where one's mouth is.
A short add:
1. “Unknown” SSO unit is the 3rd reg))
2. “Bridgehead” at Siversky Donets channel id not a classical one. This channel goes underground in 2-3 places, hardly mined of course. But ru had found a place less mined and “bridgeheaded” it
DEAD. I like that. I REALLY like that. That is a proper mindset to have in a war like this. Given Russian issues with replacing high-tech gear, DEAD works a hell of a lot better. More holes, more gaps, maybe the RUAF moves up some A-50s to close them or try and cover them? And then we have more opportunity for all sorts of fun things.
Tom: do you know what weapon struck the Buk inside Russia?
And, generally, what do you think about Cameron's statement implicitly endorsing the use of British weaponry inside Russia proper: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c163kp93l6po ?
Should we expect Storm Shadows coming at Russian airfields any time soon?