Everything is on Telegram first…. Well that I certainly didn’t know. Interesting but I didn’t really understand why Telegram outperforms all the others. But I guess it is functionality. Here is where I would have liked to see a comparison with a table. App X offers Alfa, Beta, Gamme (but not Delta), App Y offers Alfa, Delta, Epsilon and so on. But your analysis of the rise and fall of these apps show that functionality is critical. Unsurprisingly of course, but it also tells that the life of such apps might be more shortlived than previously thought. (The winner takes it all theories doesn’t hold for long.) Somebody should really write a story of the digitization of this war.
Funny, but for me, the only "good" messenger since ICQ (+all its alternative clients like Miranda IM) was Skype. Until MS came and started breaking it, like they always eventually break everything they touch that wasn't originally created by themselves.
For years, I actively resisted automatic updates to keep my Skype multi-window-capable: one feature that, for a "retrograde" like me is an absolute must-have for any proper PC messenger, and, due to the habits of today's public, completely missing from literally all the other modern messengers (technically, Telegram has it by now, but the way they implemented it, without an option to set as a default behavior, is the same as if it was still missing).
Basically, MS behavior regarding Skype is what made me start using Telegram, as the second best alternative...
Oh, and did I mention Skype had the absolute best emoji, while MS Teams has the absolute worst?..
BTW, early (pre-MS) Skype was also notorious (in a good way) for staying fully functional in environments where almost everything else failed (sometimes even with connectivity issues). And it had a peer-to-peer file transfer that always "just worked", regardless of your network architecture, dynamic IPs and other quirks not uncommon in these times. Then came MS, removed peer-to-peer in favor of limited-size cloud transfers and added crazy bugs like new messages (sometimes even yours) not getting shown until you close and reopen the conversation...
To their credit, they did one thing right: added offline messaging capability, the one major function that was unbelievably lacking in the old versions...
Yes? then point to some TG channels. I use two majors, colonel cassad, apti alaudinov, veonnia xronika - that sort of stuff. I suppose it is a recognisable 'coterie'?
And the mappers. Of course.
And I get less out of them now than I used to a year ago.
I don't want to know where the front line is. That's easy.
I want to know what the soldiers are thinking/doing.
I want to know if Kiev Ukraine's mob is really as rundown as they've been saying it is for the last two years.
I want to know if the Russian mob is really as beset by treachery and incompetence as Prigozhin died for saying it was.
I want to know whatever it is that you reckon make TG such an invaluable resource.
?
Or are you really just saying that it's the best of the pitiful collection of sources we have available to us? In that case, okay, yep. But that still leaves us with nearly nothing.
On a side note but in the same ballpark: have you seen Patrick Lancaster? Dramatic. Nearly committing suicide in his attempts to 'show you what main stream media won't' while effectively showing us nothing. That's visuals. Perhaps he means 'informations', 'showing' 'facts' etc. ?
Well he fails there, too. Totally. Just about totally.
My point? That Patrick is busting his guts, doing the most he and his friends/sponsors/whatever can think of. Game for anything. Put his life on the line.
Stands head and shoulders above the rest.
But we get bugger all even from him.
So yep. If there's some sources of value on TG please tell.
" it's the best of the pitiful collection of sources we have available to us" Telegram is not a source. it is a place to find sources. Some OK. Fewer good, and very few better than that. But all of these are swamped by the dross. Good luck.
Of course it is a source. You make a pointless quibble as best I can make out. Then you make an equally unhelpful estimation of the respective worth of contributors - one which could be levelled at any collection of human essays.
Would you ever consider answering the question:
quote:
So yep. If there's some sources of value on TG please tell.
The advantage of an idiot is that he alone can ask so many questions that a thousand wise men won't be able to answer them )))
That's why I don't think it's necessary to answer your GPT-chat - there's no need to refute nonsense, it's enough to simply use your example to show sane readers what a typical fan of the "russian world" is like.
And yes, I have reasons to hate people like you...
As a Ukrainian, I understand very well that Telegram is an outright Kremlin office, and Pavel Durov has worked for the Kremlin's secret services all his life. One only has to read his real biography and his connections, where he and all his friends hung around all the Kremlin circles. Telegram is used to collect data needed by the Kremlin's intelligence services, sell this personal data, spread propaganda, sell drugs, weapons, and other bad things. The Kremlin's secret services did the same thing on the social network Vkontakte, but then decided to expand the scale by creating Telegram. Durov, according to the legend created by the Kremlin's secret services, played a wonderful role of victim and began to freely explore Western markets.
Paradise Pepers: «This investigation revealed the connections that exist between Russian entrepreneur and investor Yuri Milner (founder of the venture capital company Digital Sky Technologies, DST) and US President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Milner is a former co-owner and chairman of the board of directors of Mail.ru Group. In the late 90s, he began actively investing in technology companies. First in Russian ones (Internet auction Molotok.ru, web hosting Boom.ru, List.ru and others), and since 2005 in foreign ones. Through DST Global funds, Milner invested in Facebook, Zynga, Twitter, Flipkart, Spotify, Groupon, JD.com, OlaCabs, AirBnB, WhatsApp, Wish and many others. These investments also raised questions: it turned out that Milner invested in Facebook and Twitter, among other things, funds raised from the Russian state bank VTB, which is now under sanctions, and his partner in DST was businessman Alisher Usmanov, who is close to the Kremlin».
The problem is that at the beginning of this conflict, there was no alternative to VKontakte, and Ukrainians were actively banned from Facebook because of Putin's inverters Usmanov and Milner. Then, having no alternative, Ukrainians began to actively switch to Telegram, not realizing that it was another Kremlin office created for soft propaganda and data collection. The reason why Ukrainians did this probably lies in the millennial generation and the old Soviet generation. They simply do not know how to analyze information on their own, they lack critical thinking and analytical apparatus. Most are simply too lazy to check the information they are fed daily by various oligarchic info dumps, Telegram channels, or pocket bloggers.
Не згоден, коли жив в Україні то не довіряв телезі, і ось чому .
Куди б Дуров не втік, у Дубай на Мадагаскар чи в Буркіна Фасо, його кацапські спец служби з під землі дістануть, і скажуть твій телеграм мусить працювати на нас, а якщо ти цього не зробиш то : ми заллємо новачок, старичок* тобі у труси..... Варіантів тиску вони мають багато.
Так що все що виробляється росії у сфері комунікацій, і йде у світ- я не довіряю.
I recall republicans howling at the sky like Benjamin is in the early 2000s. It is just wild we are back to this 2004 level of paranoia and simping for the US surveillance state.
Everything is on Telegram first…. Well that I certainly didn’t know. Interesting but I didn’t really understand why Telegram outperforms all the others. But I guess it is functionality. Here is where I would have liked to see a comparison with a table. App X offers Alfa, Beta, Gamme (but not Delta), App Y offers Alfa, Delta, Epsilon and so on. But your analysis of the rise and fall of these apps show that functionality is critical. Unsurprisingly of course, but it also tells that the life of such apps might be more shortlived than previously thought. (The winner takes it all theories doesn’t hold for long.) Somebody should really write a story of the digitization of this war.
Funny, but for me, the only "good" messenger since ICQ (+all its alternative clients like Miranda IM) was Skype. Until MS came and started breaking it, like they always eventually break everything they touch that wasn't originally created by themselves.
For years, I actively resisted automatic updates to keep my Skype multi-window-capable: one feature that, for a "retrograde" like me is an absolute must-have for any proper PC messenger, and, due to the habits of today's public, completely missing from literally all the other modern messengers (technically, Telegram has it by now, but the way they implemented it, without an option to set as a default behavior, is the same as if it was still missing).
Basically, MS behavior regarding Skype is what made me start using Telegram, as the second best alternative...
Oh, and did I mention Skype had the absolute best emoji, while MS Teams has the absolute worst?..
BTW, early (pre-MS) Skype was also notorious (in a good way) for staying fully functional in environments where almost everything else failed (sometimes even with connectivity issues). And it had a peer-to-peer file transfer that always "just worked", regardless of your network architecture, dynamic IPs and other quirks not uncommon in these times. Then came MS, removed peer-to-peer in favor of limited-size cloud transfers and added crazy bugs like new messages (sometimes even yours) not getting shown until you close and reopen the conversation...
To their credit, they did one thing right: added offline messaging capability, the one major function that was unbelievably lacking in the old versions...
ICQ was Israeli spyware, just as riddled with holes as Signal.
Could be, but nobody cared about that here in 2000s, it was used by literally everyone with Internet access :)
Yes? then point to some TG channels. I use two majors, colonel cassad, apti alaudinov, veonnia xronika - that sort of stuff. I suppose it is a recognisable 'coterie'?
And the mappers. Of course.
And I get less out of them now than I used to a year ago.
I don't want to know where the front line is. That's easy.
I want to know what the soldiers are thinking/doing.
I want to know if Kiev Ukraine's mob is really as rundown as they've been saying it is for the last two years.
I want to know if the Russian mob is really as beset by treachery and incompetence as Prigozhin died for saying it was.
I want to know whatever it is that you reckon make TG such an invaluable resource.
?
Or are you really just saying that it's the best of the pitiful collection of sources we have available to us? In that case, okay, yep. But that still leaves us with nearly nothing.
On a side note but in the same ballpark: have you seen Patrick Lancaster? Dramatic. Nearly committing suicide in his attempts to 'show you what main stream media won't' while effectively showing us nothing. That's visuals. Perhaps he means 'informations', 'showing' 'facts' etc. ?
Well he fails there, too. Totally. Just about totally.
My point? That Patrick is busting his guts, doing the most he and his friends/sponsors/whatever can think of. Game for anything. Put his life on the line.
Stands head and shoulders above the rest.
But we get bugger all even from him.
So yep. If there's some sources of value on TG please tell.
" it's the best of the pitiful collection of sources we have available to us" Telegram is not a source. it is a place to find sources. Some OK. Fewer good, and very few better than that. But all of these are swamped by the dross. Good luck.
Of course it is a source. You make a pointless quibble as best I can make out. Then you make an equally unhelpful estimation of the respective worth of contributors - one which could be levelled at any collection of human essays.
Would you ever consider answering the question:
quote:
So yep. If there's some sources of value on TG please tell.
unquote:
"...I use two majors, colonel cassad, apti alaudinov, veonnia xronika - that sort of stuff..."
A great selection of pro-Russian trash! Does anyone still doubt your sanity?
It is fairly easy to recognise two nationalities on the web:
Americans from their love of foul language and ad hominem
Kiev Ukrainians from their sheer irrational hatred - and love of ad hominem.
And each of them with the additional tell-tale: they never address the question put.
The advantage of an idiot is that he alone can ask so many questions that a thousand wise men won't be able to answer them )))
That's why I don't think it's necessary to answer your GPT-chat - there's no need to refute nonsense, it's enough to simply use your example to show sane readers what a typical fan of the "russian world" is like.
And yes, I have reasons to hate people like you...
Q.E.D.
As a Ukrainian, I understand very well that Telegram is an outright Kremlin office, and Pavel Durov has worked for the Kremlin's secret services all his life. One only has to read his real biography and his connections, where he and all his friends hung around all the Kremlin circles. Telegram is used to collect data needed by the Kremlin's intelligence services, sell this personal data, spread propaganda, sell drugs, weapons, and other bad things. The Kremlin's secret services did the same thing on the social network Vkontakte, but then decided to expand the scale by creating Telegram. Durov, according to the legend created by the Kremlin's secret services, played a wonderful role of victim and began to freely explore Western markets.
Paradise Pepers: «This investigation revealed the connections that exist between Russian entrepreneur and investor Yuri Milner (founder of the venture capital company Digital Sky Technologies, DST) and US President Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner. Milner is a former co-owner and chairman of the board of directors of Mail.ru Group. In the late 90s, he began actively investing in technology companies. First in Russian ones (Internet auction Molotok.ru, web hosting Boom.ru, List.ru and others), and since 2005 in foreign ones. Through DST Global funds, Milner invested in Facebook, Zynga, Twitter, Flipkart, Spotify, Groupon, JD.com, OlaCabs, AirBnB, WhatsApp, Wish and many others. These investments also raised questions: it turned out that Milner invested in Facebook and Twitter, among other things, funds raised from the Russian state bank VTB, which is now under sanctions, and his partner in DST was businessman Alisher Usmanov, who is close to the Kremlin».
The problem is that at the beginning of this conflict, there was no alternative to VKontakte, and Ukrainians were actively banned from Facebook because of Putin's inverters Usmanov and Milner. Then, having no alternative, Ukrainians began to actively switch to Telegram, not realizing that it was another Kremlin office created for soft propaganda and data collection. The reason why Ukrainians did this probably lies in the millennial generation and the old Soviet generation. They simply do not know how to analyze information on their own, they lack critical thinking and analytical apparatus. Most are simply too lazy to check the information they are fed daily by various oligarchic info dumps, Telegram channels, or pocket bloggers.
Не згоден, коли жив в Україні то не довіряв телезі, і ось чому .
Куди б Дуров не втік, у Дубай на Мадагаскар чи в Буркіна Фасо, його кацапські спец служби з під землі дістануть, і скажуть твій телеграм мусить працювати на нас, а якщо ти цього не зробиш то : ми заллємо новачок, старичок* тобі у труси..... Варіантів тиску вони мають багато.
Так що все що виробляється росії у сфері комунікацій, і йде у світ- я не довіряю.
I recall republicans howling at the sky like Benjamin is in the early 2000s. It is just wild we are back to this 2004 level of paranoia and simping for the US surveillance state.