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https://t.me/fighter_bomber/20609

FighterBomber says that painted decoy was hit. So, it's up to oneself to judge is it right or wrong claim.

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this is american and british isr and realtime control. russia is getting pushed into a corner. there is not way to stop these lunatics. putin is trying to juggle half a dozen things at once conscious of the fate of millions if he goes the wrong way.

but they leave him no choice. this cannot continue.

america and uk are at all out war with russia. all out. full on. putin has to declare it a fact. and let the world know it and watch and wait, see what happens.

declare if a known fact and declare that because of that american and british shipping, aircraft, towns and cities become fair game just as they've been treating russia.

forget this bullcrap about ukraine. kiev ukrainians wanting to ethnic cleanse the donbass, pretending they've been invaded and so on. So bloody ridiculous they swear they'll fight to the last man which will give them what? what? they're too dumb to see it.

forget them. forget it. it was always a red herring. it is not the main feature.

the main feature is uk and america hungering to get russia balkanised and eat it all up.

killing millions of dumb ukrainians on the way is immaterial to them.

putin needs to put up the proof... there's heaps and heaps of it.. and show it to the world and to the brits and the yanks and tell it as it is: you are making war on us. One week to stop and if not then we declare it on.

f*** it. the sooner the better.

and meanwhile switch these bloody kiev ukrainians off. finish the energy shutdown. stop the transport. switch off the water, the sewage. kill the internet. stop those bloody trains running back and forth to poland carrying diplomats (!), thieves, oligarchs, black marketeers, nato generals, uk scum etc... just blow them off the tracks.... blow all dams such as that one at Kiev... just do the job. they're like a yapping dog and a distraction with their lunacy...

america and uk are the problem. call them out, call it on and do it..

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Yep. For a long time now I've thought of china as the man here. But it doesn't declare itself. I've thought. Though the reception for Putin when he visited China as against the reception for whatever american it was was a dramatic, very dramatic statement I agree.

But that's kinda intuition or showmanship or something. There's been no similar declarations in the press, in the political world or even in the military or the economic.

Rather it constantly declares itself to be even handed, above and apart from the dispute.

I feared what you say: 'sieze upon all the resulting turmoil..'

l don't trust them and I see they've got much to gain if they 'took' Russia. Or large parts of it. Those southern parts adjoining China. I think I see. But I know I can't really judge, I"m not educated enough in what matters there. Perhaps it is not geographically sensible, or economically or militarily or demographically.

I'm happy to jump on and accept your suggestion they would prop Putin up. Happy. I hope you are right.

You know in wars, just like family fights even, or street fights, usually it is about nothing and both sides are wrong.

Stop the fight, calm down and we can see both sides are really just ordinary people and we can live with and accept either side, both sides.

I started watching all this with that attitude in mind.

What I have learned and seen displayed since then has changed my mind entirely.

This really appears to me to be an existential conflict now.

The sheer duplicity and evil of the west in this I find staggering. As more and more of it gets exposed. We in the west are at core rotten. Totally rotten.

Only sad saving grace we have is that it is our core and not us. Our political core, our plutocratic core, not use.

Unashamed, smiling, boasting, Trump and the rest of them set about exterminating hundreds of thousands of Palestinians in every way possible, no cruelty out of bounds. What they've done in the past now exposed: Syria, Iraq, Vietnam, etc..

What they plan to do spelled out clearly and issued to the world as an ultimatum: you will be vassals and pay tribute!

The arrogance and lunacy. And the evil.

Yes I'm happy to accept your proposition for it seems the only possible real one else all is doomed. The 'rest of the world ' (RoW) needs to come together in the name of sanity and stop this. Stop 'the west' (though that term does not include the western people who are merely the world's greatest collection of mindless termites).

The madness of it. From the tiny local madness to the global.

From Kiev Ukrainian soldier standing on land he's invaded and shelled for ten years as part of this ambition to ethnic cleanse saying 'help me, I'm being invaded' to Trump standing over the world with his claws round its throat saying 'help me, the world is taking advantage of me'.

I would dearly love George Orwell to suddenly make a return and pronounce on all this.

And perfidious Albion ! I think a synonym for evil filthy slime today. A synonym.

Again: excluding the people who's only sin, as usual with the west, is sleeping.

Live in interesting times. I was born in the midst of world war and here we are again. Give the world a break.

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Roger Reed's avatar

Agree with you on the Palestinians' treatment.

But, I have not heard a single American of any political persuasion, official or unofficial, “hungering to get russia balkanised” — that's not what the independence of Ukraine is about! If that's the necessary outcome of Russia losing the war in Ukraine, then so be it.

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I've never heard it said either. I get all my knowledge of such thing (right or wrong) from my reading/viewing on the web. Not from discussion locally with my peers. They have little or no interest in such.

I've learned it's been a long standing ambition of the West - going back to when the West was the British Empire and the usa a naive hungry powerful young wolf - to foment strife and internal dissent in Russia and cause it to fall apart. Balkanise.

It would seem to be prone to it given the multiplicity of ethnicities.

I'm not surprised you haven't heard it from americans. nevertheless their actions are directed towards it. Perhaps they share your attitude: 'that's the necessary outcome' of their attempts to bring down the Russian govt and specifically Putin, then 'so be it'.

i.e. couldn't give a damn. dismiss the concept as not worth further discussion.

Somewhat after the style of the fate of hundreds of thousands of women and children in Palestine. 'So be it'. 'That's the way the cookie crumbles', an archaic, now, charming american expression of their inner humanity.

Orwellian doublespeak runs the usa today and in fact the whole west.

'independence of Ukraine' for instance. What on earth does it mean?

It has nothing to do with the ukrainian people, we know that for sure. For we know that the word 'Ukraine' here does not include 10 million Donbass ukrainians. And we know that 30 million Kiev Ukrainians are not consulted and will not be consulted. Being steered towards nuclear war willy nilly.

So what does it mean? To whom/to what does it apply for lord's sake?

It can only apply to the american/british dupe regime in in Kiev.

So what prevents their 'independence' ? Their own desire to subjugate themselvess to the usa and us is all. They enslave themselves. Why? Well its gotta be money and power doesn't it?

It certainly has nothing to do with more sophisticated notions such as self governed social organisations of many people for it denies independence to Donetsk, Luhansk, Crimea, Zaphorizhia, Kherson.

It certainly has nothing to do with that notinal entity the state of ukraine prior say 2014 because that state was totally indpendent and no one took that independence away from it.

What it did was turn in on itself and declare war on its own people.

On ethnic grounds.

Prompted by avarice and political manoeuvring by the evil usa and uk.

And that's all we really need to know.

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Empirical fact shows that the US in particular has long worked to strengthen Russian stability, Bush Sr worked diligently to prevent the breakup of the USSR, going so far as to tell Ukrainians in Kyiv that they should submit to Moscow.

Every time the Russian empire has been on the brink of collapse it has been rescued by the West, so to claim the West seeks Russian Balkanization is to deny historical fact.

Sullivan and Biden were terrified of Russia breaking up, Clinton did his best to appease Moscow, as did Bush jr, then Obama and Hillary with the idiotic reset button.

This is empirical fact, objective historical fact.

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Roland Davis's avatar

Ah so they allow social media access in lunatic asylums now.

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Martin Hughes's avatar

Shows what we’re up against, in its horrible way

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James Coffey's avatar

Reading the above "long one" for a minute I thought I was reading something from the orange hair fascist.

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Roland Davis's avatar

Russians are saying the Sumy attack that killed civilians was targeting a military parade to which civilians had foolishly been allowed to watch. Russians claim this has been admitted by Ukraine channels. Sounds like bunkum to me but does anyone have any insight into what is true?

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Donald Hill's avatar

Sumy is 30 km from the Russian border. Formations of troops at award ceremonies have been hit by missiles 40 km away. Ignore the fact that Ukraine has more important issues than to hold a military parade. Try to find one Ukrainian channel that said there was a parade. Try to find one image of military equipment destroyed. I can show you pictures of buses.

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No parade, but there was a small scheduled assembly for an anniversary of some brigade (in an unspecified part of some building). It was not hit. There were two strikes, in two different spots, both expected to be crowded.

The consensus seems to be Russia is watching for any signs of such military gatherings to give cover for intentional strikes on civilians. That is: strike the crowds but have a target in the same town in the pocket to justify it. They didn't have the targeting info to hit it and didn't seem to attempt to. I expect more of the same.

This was a morning of an Orthodox Christian holiday too.

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Tupolev16's avatar

According to RU statements, two Iskanders were launched to hit UA military anniversary gathering (as they successfully did several times within last half a year). One missile was EW(ed) and, tragically, hit civilians. Another was more precise and hit military personnel. UA colonel Yuri Yula (artillery brigade) was killed by the strike.

There's a turmoil among UA leadership fractions about this tragedy. As civilians were let to watch the military anniversary.

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ZenithA's avatar

Among 34 killed 2 military personnel mentioned, and no confirmation they were at some ceremony or simply walking the city. When UA was striking Black Sea Fleet Headquarters, in the midday, not a single civilian was harmed. And that was much further from the frontline. Iskander is not precise enough for striking anything inside the city. Ballistics can not be EWed, it could be hit-to-killed only. And that requires a Patriot in the vicinity. Which is possible, but unlikely. For it would mean 1 Patriot in Sumy, 1 in Kriviy Rih, 1 in Kharkiv, one in Dnipro and 1 in Kyiv. For all those places and maybe more were having ballistics missing their targets. Or it is a wandering Patriot.

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Tupolev16's avatar

I agree that EWing Iskander sounds strange. It was either wrong targeting or it went astray after being hit by SAM (remember the most "precise" hit of SCUD back in 1991 when near-by explosion of Patriot diverted SCUD right into the Marines barracks). Patriots in Ukraine indeed use nomad "hit and run" tactics. Remember famous downing of Su34&Su35 a year ago by missiles launched right from Sumy region.

As per number of military perished, let's be patient and wait (probably for months). Even information about death of Colonel Yula was rapidly revoked. Many things are classified, Ukraine is "lucky" to get this horrible affair to "sell" it as a deliberate strike at civilians. In that case perished militaries will spoil the game.

Call me paranoic, but I expect more and more cases of dreadful attacks on civilians to occur in the nearest future. The are too many warmongers from both sides and they will do any covert or false flags attacks to continue the war.

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Sasha The Norwegian's avatar

The Wandering Patriot was destroyed in an attack while at a stand still a long time ago, I've not seen any reports since then of similar tactics, bringing it to Sumy would be an odd move.

Seems like you're moving the goalposts from "EW took down a ballistic missile" (the Russian explanation, an impossibility) to "Maybe some wondering patriot sent it off course" or "wrong targeting" - while ignoring that there were two missiles, was only one programmed to kill worshiping civilians? Would that change anything?

It's more probable that both missiles were targeting the same area, this is not the first and won't be the last direct attack on purely civilian targets.

You seem too willing to ascribe nobility to the Russians.

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ZenithA's avatar

Explain me what it means in your view, so that I understand what you actually sharing

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Tupolev16's avatar

For UA side:

1) There was indeed a military ceremony

2) UA army personnel were so dumb that brought their love ones to the show in the frontzone perfectly knowing Russian habit of hitting military ceremonies. Especially cinical that the military were inside the buiding while civilians were outside the shelter.

For RU side:

1) Certain stupidity to use cluster munition insted of high-explosive warhead. Most likely, failure of intelligence.

2) Taken apart moral things, a sheer stupidity to use such powerful weapons inside the cities. Even if it struck home, colletaral damage is inevitable what entails hysteria worldwide.

3) RU akward actions are ultimately diverting local population from Russia. Ethnically people in Sumy are the same as in Kursk, mixed Russo-Ukranian Slavic population, however such actions cause hatred for decades.

Ashkenazi in Kiev made post-Soviet generation of youngsters pure zombie which are ready to die for the right to work at dirty works in Poland and keep UA Ashkenazi oligarkhs at power. The latter do not want to share their assets with Russian Ashkenazi oligarkhs. Young UA zombies (including ethnic Russians that live in Ukraine) are dying in thousands for hymeras and tycoons' assets. It's impossible to handle that. 30 years of brainwashing. For example, recently perished pilot of F-16 was ethnic Russian with surname Pavlov.

Anyway, youngsters are hopeless, but Russian strikes are making things worse. Older generation that could be easily integrated into Russian society gets hurt by such careless attack. Of course, it's a matter of propaganda and brainwashing, in 20 years all these new RU territories will be absolutely pro-Russian but strikes like in Sumy make live harder for integration.

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ZenithA's avatar

I see. You have mentioned stupidity several times in terms of targeting and weapons used.

But then this was repeated many times in the past.

So are you saying that this every time a mistake? Remind you of a Vinnitsa strike to start with. Or there is something behind this approach? Because as I mentioned more often then not there are civilian losses, since 2022. But for example such weapons as H-69 are used very effectively for demolition of power plants. But not on such high value targets?

Or they are not high value? Do you think there are more high value targets around Ukraine? Why they are not targeted with such serious weapons? Why cities within 100 km of the front are targeted recently with Iskander? Because of the high value targets present, or?

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James Touza's avatar

I suppose the Abrams can be in the too difficult to maintain bucket too.

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Hans Torvatn's avatar

Thanks for the update. Some comments. Regarding the loss of the F16, whatever the reason it was unfortunately expected. There will be be more, but as far as I understand the various blogs I read the gains have been as good as expected. Now Ukraine have around 30 and they contribute. Trump extending the sanctions is very good news. I think they hurt, and combined with falling oil prices and more actions against the shadow fleet that will hurt. Which leads me to a question. The graph shows Ukraine spending 30 percent of GDP on defense. That is actually understandable, although the calculation must be difficult. How do you include the non military aid? But what surprised me was Russia. I thought they had a spending of around 30 as well. The graph showed around 10 or lower. Is the figure really that low for Russia?

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I would guess so. But there must be estimates?

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JG's avatar

Very interesting about the review of German equipment. Old is gold and the new stuff needs to get better 👍. Good work as always Don.

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ZenithA's avatar

Perished military do nothing. It is strike deliberately disregarding presence of civilians and character of the weapon used. As it was always been before. I mean there is no single time where one or the other civilian suffered when ru missiles strike inside the city.

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And EWing Iskander does not sound strange, it sounds blasphemous. For then you can forget about bunker busters, if even balistics can be EWied 200 meters away. It is all the difference between getting into the bunker and not. And you are not getting the humour, for wandering Patriot in defence mode, instead of attack/ambush mode, means knowing where the next strike would be couple of weeks in advance.

I sometimes wondering how thick people could be.

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osidd's avatar

Love the level of detail / coverage in these reports.

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Engerl's avatar

Thank you for all the information. As overall tendance can one say that ruzzia continues attack on the overall front with little change and the Ukrainians stand their ground and defend and that in some places like Toretsk the fighting is much heavier. ? Ruzzia continues attacks without an overall aim but its leader's narratif about nasty Ukraine. --- Ukraine is dealing with the political war the trump administration imposes plus ruzzia. --- Is there a possibility to attack Crimea and create another dynamic ?

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