Keeping in mind all the ‘details’ I’ve described in the Parts 1, 2, and 3 of this feature, in the Part 4 I would like to offer the first of few examples on how is the air war in Ukraine fought these days. For the start, I’m going to focus on the situation in the Kyiv area and north-eastern Ukraine.
thank you for the insight of how things work IRL, not in a Hollywood movie. Two slightly related questions:
- is this the same on the frontline from the PSU perspective? After the first few surprise hits with HARM, there are no news about any new successes. Do the Russians work in the same silent mode?
- Probably another few thousand other people has asked you in the past few days about the F-16 delivery decision. I remember well your assessment about why jets shouldn't be on the top of the supply list, but now as they WILL BE there - what can it change? According to the training plan assessment their main role will be air-to-ground missions, not air combat. (no surprise)
Based on what you wrote I assume that beside they can deploy all the western gadgets without tinkering, their presence can be an indirect air defence impact as well. The russians use their S-300 as ballistic missiles regularly - but if there is a new air threat they must revert some of them to their original role. they also can not shoot away a salvo of them being sure that they won't be caught with their pants down. This could - i think - lift some weight off from the Kyiv-like air defenses.
Is the mix of different systems in Ukraine's air defence more of a hindrance (presumably integration and data sharing is harder) than it is an asset (in posing different problems for the attacker) ?
Thank you Tom, interesting about the Spetnatz but entirely understandable, i presume the Ukrainians have plenty of the similar going on behind Orc lines.
Thank you Tom! This offers some light and explains lots of questions. This is a profesional mode of waging war, when the MSM writes it's looks that their simply fire missiles because they can withoit purpouse, because "they are stupid".
In West for 99% people info from Ukraine is entertainment. Better than movies and don't need to pay for tickets. Let see how it for ordinary people in the front line. Readers of this nice articles often want more, just read is boring, oh HOW it will be exiting to see by own eyes. Just come to Kherson and you will hear and watch many unforgettable things, get lovely experience.
16 May I heard characteristic/specific whizz from North. Cruise missile can't come from this direction, so this is jet. Less than 1 sec I need to think. - Every Kherson citizen heard both many times. After few seconds 2 jets appeared. They were turning in sharp arc at too low altitude.The far one was so low - I thought he was falling. They were dropping infrared traps every 3-4 sec with characteristic pops. I saw the jet's upper side. One flew just over the **** and approached too fast. Jet came from sun direction, which blind me slightly. I saw the blickle on upper side of it wings. Clearly saw 2 aircraft vertical rudders, slightly inclined. I surprised: they big and how long distance between them. It brought such lovely entertainment, that somebody can wet the trousers. The sound was so........ I thought I will be deaf. A second later he flew just above my head in distance 100 m, literally above head. I alive ... and happy of this fact. It trajectory was not far from chimney *****, and went to East direction. So I think they were 2 russian jets. As we can see, russian jets fly to West of Dnipro river on 10 km.
Thank you Dott. Cooper, it's alwaeys nice to leran something new.
I always thought that the surveillance radar of a sam battery ought to be active much more than it actually is, so I guess hide and seek is the name of the game.
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Thanks for # 4 Tom, its getting some what clearer now and I can see how the Russians try to overwhelm the air defense system, the Ukrainians definitely need nerves of steel training and experience but are proving to be masters of the system. Am I right in thinking the Russians have AWCS planes but do not use them to full effect
Thanks, Tom. This is simply the best thing to do on Sunday morning. Super appreciated.
thank you for the insight of how things work IRL, not in a Hollywood movie. Two slightly related questions:
- is this the same on the frontline from the PSU perspective? After the first few surprise hits with HARM, there are no news about any new successes. Do the Russians work in the same silent mode?
- Probably another few thousand other people has asked you in the past few days about the F-16 delivery decision. I remember well your assessment about why jets shouldn't be on the top of the supply list, but now as they WILL BE there - what can it change? According to the training plan assessment their main role will be air-to-ground missions, not air combat. (no surprise)
Based on what you wrote I assume that beside they can deploy all the western gadgets without tinkering, their presence can be an indirect air defence impact as well. The russians use their S-300 as ballistic missiles regularly - but if there is a new air threat they must revert some of them to their original role. they also can not shoot away a salvo of them being sure that they won't be caught with their pants down. This could - i think - lift some weight off from the Kyiv-like air defenses.
Thank you. Great explanation.
Interesting - and well explained. Thanks Tom.
Is the mix of different systems in Ukraine's air defence more of a hindrance (presumably integration and data sharing is harder) than it is an asset (in posing different problems for the attacker) ?
That's the point. Great work! Now i understand. Thanks.
Thanks Tom. So interesting.
Very clear! Txs!! Indeed part 1 and 2 were necessary to get everything!
Thank you Tom, interesting about the Spetnatz but entirely understandable, i presume the Ukrainians have plenty of the similar going on behind Orc lines.
Thank you Tom! This offers some light and explains lots of questions. This is a profesional mode of waging war, when the MSM writes it's looks that their simply fire missiles because they can withoit purpouse, because "they are stupid".
Looking forward Ford the next parts!
Damn, you're good...
In West for 99% people info from Ukraine is entertainment. Better than movies and don't need to pay for tickets. Let see how it for ordinary people in the front line. Readers of this nice articles often want more, just read is boring, oh HOW it will be exiting to see by own eyes. Just come to Kherson and you will hear and watch many unforgettable things, get lovely experience.
16 May I heard characteristic/specific whizz from North. Cruise missile can't come from this direction, so this is jet. Less than 1 sec I need to think. - Every Kherson citizen heard both many times. After few seconds 2 jets appeared. They were turning in sharp arc at too low altitude.The far one was so low - I thought he was falling. They were dropping infrared traps every 3-4 sec with characteristic pops. I saw the jet's upper side. One flew just over the **** and approached too fast. Jet came from sun direction, which blind me slightly. I saw the blickle on upper side of it wings. Clearly saw 2 aircraft vertical rudders, slightly inclined. I surprised: they big and how long distance between them. It brought such lovely entertainment, that somebody can wet the trousers. The sound was so........ I thought I will be deaf. A second later he flew just above my head in distance 100 m, literally above head. I alive ... and happy of this fact. It trajectory was not far from chimney *****, and went to East direction. So I think they were 2 russian jets. As we can see, russian jets fly to West of Dnipro river on 10 km.
Thank you Dott. Cooper, it's alwaeys nice to leran something new.
I always thought that the surveillance radar of a sam battery ought to be active much more than it actually is, so I guess hide and seek is the name of the game.
Great post.
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Thanks for # 4 Tom, its getting some what clearer now and I can see how the Russians try to overwhelm the air defense system, the Ukrainians definitely need nerves of steel training and experience but are proving to be masters of the system. Am I right in thinking the Russians have AWCS planes but do not use them to full effect