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Vovan's avatar

Regarding russian support in Southern Ukraine. In spite of all southern regions of Ukraine are russian-speaking (as also was Kyiv) in no way does this mean support of russia at the same rate. These people are free during more than 30 years, so they want to decide themselves what language to speak and in what country to leave. They do need russia for this, and Ukraine is providing this freedom.

Once again - Support of russain language does not mean support of russia, Support of pro-russian parties does not (mostly) means support of russia. Russia will not get russian-speaking Mykolaiv, russian-speaking Kherson, russian-speaking Zaporizhzhya (where I am from) to name a few, because there is no support of russia there, regardless of language spoken.

The situation is worse in Crimea after 9 years of russian (propaganda) control. It's possible that back in 2014 there were more than 50% of ru supporters, but nowhere near 90+% ru PRBS machine talking about.

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>> Given the percentage of people in the occupied oblasts that were supporting Russia in 2014, is there any indication as to whether the percentage of Russian supporters have changed since the invasion/counterattack?

Well, all numbers you're trying to operate about "percentage" of russia fans in occupied oblasts is coming from Russia PRBS machine. All referendums, including a Crimean one, were a total bluff, without any sign of legitimity, without international observers, and with numerous violations.

In DPR/LPR 2014 "referendums" russians defined arbitrary percentage of "yes" voters aforehead, then made up a total number of voters, and multiplied total number on this percent, getting number of "yes" voters, which appeared to be EXACTLY equal to predefined percent, rounded to two digits after a dot, which would never happen in real life.

"Referendums" of 2022 does not stand up to any criticism at all. Not only they were held without city of Zaporizhzhia (about a half total population of Zaporizhzhia oblast), and a big part of Kherson oblast, they do not meet the requirements of even elementary mathematics. For example, for 56.85% of processed ballots in DPR in 2022 there were 94.75% "yes" voters. But then, for 82% of processed ballots, there were 99.06% "yes" voters. Which, if you take time to make simple calculations, means that absolute number of "no" voters has decreased with time. You can see Russian math teacher mocking it in this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRQUJVJCE0c)

So, shortly speaking, all these numbers are made up and absolute bullshit, please don't build your suggestions on top of them. Now, for real numbers - rumors were that Crimean referendum in 2014 showed about 60% support (which still means nothing, Ukraine's Constitution doesn't have an option to decide fate of regions on basis of referendums, and to change Constitution you need 3/4 of votes), DPR/LPR referendums in 2014 showed about 30% support, which explains the fact that more than 2.5mln people of 5mln region moved to Ukraine-controlled territory since 2014. As for Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Ukraine-controlled parts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts in 2022 - degree of support is minimal, Russian occupants in Mariupol are complaining that "everyone here hate us, we can't take food from locals - it can be poisoned".

Also, mass of non-pro-Ukrainian people in occupied territories is not exactly pro-Russian. They're pro-Soviet, which means they're apolitical, and inert. They will just accept any outcome and live on without active protest.

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