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Martin Cavell's avatar

Finally- someone else thinks shotguns are the ideal anti FPV gun! Yay!

I've mentioned this idea in old Twitter debates & seen people completely missing the point, & arguing that a short range shotgun isn't useful against "drones" as they can fly higher.

The shotgun isn't for hitting surveillance drones, that's NOT the argument. A shotgun's short range is only going to be useful against FPVs on final approach.

FPVs now hunt individual soldiers effectively, & once it's seen you, your chances are very slim for avoiding it, unless you're very near good cover. It's very difficult for any other handheld "bullets" gun to hit such a small, fast moving object.

A shotgun fills 40 square inches (1⅓ sq yds) with pellets at 25-40 yards, depending on its amount of choke. That's a good amount of area coverage to enable hitting a fast moving 12 inch diameter drone. A semi auto shotgun should get about 5+ rounds off before the drone is lethal-close, giving you a good chance of a hit.

A shotgun's short range (>60 yards) doesn't count against it, as hitting anything small & moving at those rangea or more, with bullets, handheld, is really unlikely...

The only way to really hit a small 12" drone at longer ranges is with a gattling, or better still, a proximity fused 30-40mm airburst shell. These options require a big vehicle to carry them, so are useless for individual soldiers.

The only other practical handheld individual weapon for anti-fpv is an effective EW jammer. These are starting to appear, but suffer frome reliance on batteries & the ability of the enemy to change frequency. EW jammers are improving, but when they do, I forsee new FPVs configured for wire guidance, which will negate all the EW, at the expense of being shorter ranged, like the TOW ATGMs 3750 meters.

A semi auto shotgun with at least 5 rounds capacity is an ideal close range FPV killer. Plus it's also very useful for close quarters fighting, especially trench clearing. Though it can't penetrate armour vests, a hit there can still knock someone back or over, or 'wind' them, & any pellets that hit the unprotected face, neck or arms, will also likely cause that soldier to temporarily cease fighting as they recoil in pain, drop their weapon, flinch, turn away, etc, & give you the chance of a 2nd, aimed, killer shot that avoids the armour vest.

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Ryan's avatar

Is the suggestion here that Ukraine just hasn’t thought to test shotguns in the anti-drone role? Because I’m willing to bet they have.

It doesn’t seem like the kind of problem that is solved by just having the right model shotgun or attachments, but much more about if an average soldier can reliably detect and counter (on average) an attacking drone in that limited ~30yard/m engagement window. Drones are incredibly fast and incredibly agile. And FPVs are still currently flown by humans; they definitely do not fly like ducks. And they will become significantly faster and more agile as they become more autonomous. Humans vs ducks is (depending on you definition) fair on the basis of broadly similar neurological and muskuloskelital response times; drones are a different animal. I wonder if shotguns aren’t a romantic but anachronistic solution to a very technical and inherently inhuman problem.

Now put that shotgun on a robotic gimbal with 180degree target tracking and it might be more of a fair fight.

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