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Some corrections and additional details on French shells production.

French Ministre des Armées Sebastien Lecornu recently gave an interview in which he talked about support for Ukraine and French "Economie de Guerre" aka a grandiloquant formulation to advertise the still anaemic french production.

https://www.leparisien.fr/international/sebastien-lecornu-il-faut-etre-endurant-dans-notre-soutien-militaire-a-lukraine-17-01-2024-CSY6LQXL2NCCXBKY7AMKKQTF7A.php

Lecornu said French production of 155 mm shells went from 1 000 per month to 2 000 per month for a grand total of ... 24 per year. Now the goal is to raise this production onward to reach ... 3 000 shells per months by 2024 end. I emphasize this is the goal by 2024 end. For most of the year, the production will be below 3k/month. Just like for most of 2023, the French production was below 2k/month and only reached this level by the end of the year.

Meaning French 2024 production will be *somewhere between 24 000 and 36 000 shells. And closer to the former than the latter.

Now there have been some confusion because earlier, the German MoD announced it had contracted a French company to produce 68 000 155mm shells for 278 million euros.

https://www.bmvg.de/de/aktuelles/ukraine-unterstuetzung-deutschland-beschafft-artilleriemunition-5717012

https://www.uawire.org/germany-to-provide-350-000-additional-155mm-artillery-shells-to-ukraine

The thing is, there is only one French company producing 155mm shells : Nexter. And as French Minister Lecornu said, it will produce less than 36 000 shells in 2024.

Now, the most attentive would have notice the German MoD does not specify when the 68k shells from "an unnamed French company" are supposed to be delivered to Ukraine. For all we know it could be in 2050.

An other explanation could be how our wonderful oligarchy operates. In France we used to talk about Nexter as an unified, French company. But technically, during the mid 2010s, Nexter became a joint-ventur with German company Krauss-Maffei Wegmann under the new name KNDS. And as KNDS website explains, KNDS do have shells productions capacities in Belgium and Italy. respectively trhough its subsidiaries Mecar (Belgium) and Simmel Difesa (Italy). On top of Nexter Munitions.

https://www.knds.fr/en/our-brand/mecar

It is most certains that Lecornu talked about Nexter Munitions alone since it is the only KNDS subsidiary responsible for ammunition production based in France. Maybe Germany contracted the other subsidiaries for the 68k shells. So technically it would have contracted an "unammed French company" but still deliver the shells relatively quickly. Unfortunately I have absolutely no clue on Belgian and Italian productions.

Last but not least, in that same interview, Lerconu boasted Nexter aims to produce 78 CAESAR howitzers in 2024. 6 of them bought by Ukraine. He called on "partners" to finance the rest jointly. Later, the French press announced France is to finance 12 of theses howitzers. Thus leaving 60 howitzers to be financed by *someone.

https://www.liberation.fr/international/europe/la-france-appelle-ses-allies-a-cofinancer-la-fourniture-de-78-canons-caesar-a-lukraine-20240118_LFFJZEGSSZFCPGZM5PU53PARWI/?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&xtor=CS7-51-#Echobox=1705603622-1

So maybe, Germany will in fact subside all of KNDS shell production including Nexter Munitions' production which French authorities hyped as France noble and benevolent effort to support Ukraine. Given the level of cynicism in Paris theses days, it would not be surprising.

This is not a one off event. Often French authorities have advocated our partners ought to buy our wonderful equipment, so we make money and deliver them at a snail speed. Afaik, earlier during the war, French authorities contemplate to deliver our old Mirage and hopefully make some money out of it too. The Ukrainians said nope while they expected to receive F-16. Though it seems they may change their mind given Mykola Oleshchuk's recent words.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/french-mirage-aircraft-may-reinforce-ukrainian-air-force-commander-2024-01-14/

In fact, during the past year, French have gone absolutely crazy about defence contract. There is hardly a week that goes by without some politicians, "journalists", "experts" or businessmen rallying voraciously against "stupid Europeans buying Americans gears rather than French gears" and how it sabotages the "European Defence". Of course, "European Defence" ought to mean everybody buy overpriced French products which may be delivered sometimes. Hopefully before 2100.

For the record Nexter raised the price of the CAESAR by over 25% ... Side note but it is so typical of France and France economy evolution during the past decades. Voracious rentiers who never aim to sell more or better but merely raise prices on every occasion while producing as little as possible. It is literally destroying the country.

https://www.opex360.com/2023/01/27/artillerie-le-danemark-veut-remplacer-les-caesar-promis-a-lukraine-par-des-obusiers-israeliens-atmos/

Lecornu also said proudly it now takes only 15 months to produce a CAESAR. So even if the 78 canons are all financed, it is unlikely all will be delivered by 2024 end.

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The article focuses on artillery shells and that is alright. What about artillery itself?

There are open source reports out there saying that Russia may run out of Soviet artillery stores through 2024 that it has been using to equip some of its troops. (Similarly to the more widely circulated analysis of leftover tanks.) It is also claimed that Russia has a much more limited ability to produce more artillery.

How do you evaluate these claims and their impact if true? Could Russia effectively start 'running out of artillery' while having, comparatively, enough shells? Will the impact, if any, be only visible by 2025; and will Russia have to start aggressively shopping for more to be able to sustain its operations?

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