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Sasha The Norwegian's avatar

I don't like it when you're right about appeasement, but I agree.

I am not sure I agree that Zelenskyi went there to sign the serfdom papers unaltered, I think he hoped, or was led to believe, there was wiggle room to add in 'something', and I don't believe he he had any choice.

Had he not gone 47 would have used that too, the result was a foregone conclusion. The US reaction would have been the same, but now at least Europe sees 47 and Vance more clearly.

Whoever advised him to go, without translators, without strong prep, should be fired, if the goal was to gain something from the US.

The problem is that it may well have been Macron or Starmer who told him to go - to 'mend ties' as it were. 'Go and charm him, he may still come around' - I can well believe they'd be that naive.

They're both hopelessly lost up their own asses, still believe a deal can be made. It boggles the mind that our politicians, after so many years, can't see the plainly obvious.

The translator issue may have been arrogance by Zelenskyi or poor advise, or maybe Trump doesn't like translators, I don't know - it was ill advised nonetheless.

The train wreck truly got underway when 47 corrected Zelenskyi on when Russia first invaded (47 said 2015, Zelenskyi should have kept quiet) - his diplomats and advisors should have warned him about ever correcting 47 and Vance.

For all his charm and boyishness, Zelenskyi doesn't appear to have learned the art of diplomacy and sucking up to the powerful. Or maybe three years of full scale war has taken away his tolerance of bullshit - if that's so he should have been advised to not go.

It's led to a shakeout, and I wonder how we'll look back at this in ten years time, if we're going to be talking about it as refugees in northern Africa or Turkie, or in the comfort of our own homes.

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Oskar Krempl's avatar

This is a very interesting article and I am willing to throw my 5 cents into the ring, which will result in a long answer.

1) I agree with allmost everything, but

a) There is no realistic way to do an election now during war time, as the people in the occupied

parts cannot vote. Zelensky has his limits, his merits and his faults. If one watches the video

closely, one can see how his mood did change several times and how nervous he was (hint

watch his hands). So Ukraine will have to go on on this bitter road till the end with him as a

president.

b) Of course some want him out of office, because they think it would serve their agenda better,

like Gollum and the orange man.

2) I know non of the persons personally, so I will stay silent about who would be a better person for

which job. But that doesn't stop me from calling an incompetent person an incompetent one.

3) Now to the bigger picture, where Ukraine is only a piece of the puzzle (sorry if I hurt any feelings,

this is not my intention, buth truth is an unloved child):

a) By now it should be cleear to everyone with a working brain we are on a big turning ponit in

history, as the world we are used to is gone and never will come back again. I don't know how

the 'new' world will look like, but there will be winners and losers as usual in history.

b) The biggest loser will be the USA. Their dominance comes to an end, because the stupid orange

man wages war in different forms on his allies and tries to embrace his foes. That reminds me

how Byzanz did construct it's own down fall (history doesn't repeat itself, it is the human

stupidity which repeats itself with the usual consequences).

c) The fate of Ukraine & Europe are one and the same. Either they do together what has to be done

to survive or they will go down together and it doesn't matter if there are a few years of

difference for some single states.

4) Some of the consequences: Europe has to wake up from it's decandence and parasitic slumber

of being a cheap freeloader in global politics. Again here, do it or be done.

That means a complete own weapon industry, which has to be independent from everyone else.

Fuck the USA with it's stupid and greedy government. And Europe needs it's own nuclear

umbrella. The USA are close to a financial implosion. There is no reason for Europe to delay it by

supporting the American industry. They decided finally to piss on it's allies, so they should face

the consequences. If one realizes that the fall is unavoidable, one has to roll.

NATO is dead now, Europe needs it's own regional alliance system. Again do it or be done.

The dice has been thrown, but hasn't landed yet.

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