For me, it's simple: sources say Ukrainians are 'there', and holding out, and thus this is a fact…

The fact Ukrainians are shelling Chernobaivka with artillery, even shooting at the Russians 'there' with Tochkas - is no evidence of the…

For me, it's simple: sources say Ukrainians are 'there', and holding out, and thus this is a fact until proven otherwise - and regardless what is reported by who else.

The fact Ukrainians are shelling Chernobaivka with artillery, even shooting at the Russians 'there' with Tochkas - is no evidence of the contrary. Rather a confirmation that there is a fighting for that place.