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Joshu's Dog's avatar

I really hope that Mirage 2000 is from the UAE, because the Qataris were the most pro-neutrality of all the GCC. apart from Oman. If Qatari, Iranian drone-diplomacy really hasn't worked out. Seems to me it was attempting to walk a fine line -- attack US bases within, but not the vital interests of, the Arab countries. Vulnerable both to Mossad false flags and to the simple fact that with the Mosaic Doctrine the IRGC sub-commands might not all be on the same page.

Sarcastosaurus's avatar

'Qataris' and 'innocent' in one sentence... sorry, that fits as much as 'Israel' and 'innocent' in one sentence. If for no other reason, then because Qatar is the biggest sponsor of the (Egyptian) Muslim Brotherhood in the EU and the USA.

By side them (or, and more likely: some of US/British/French expats flying fighter jets for the QEAF) shooting down two IRIAF Su-24s on 28 February or 1 March: that can be characterised as 'self-defence', even if the Iranian jets were underway to strike the US base at al-Udeid.

But, they, the Saudis and Emiratis also flew a number of air strikes on Iran by now. 'In retaliation', of course.

Joshu's Dog's avatar

Yes, of course. The Qataris opposed the war more strongly than the rest of the GCC for reasons of Realpolitik, not morality. Sharing the South Pars gas field with Iran and being the most vulnerable to Gulf disruption with all their ports behind the chokepoint of the Strait.

Alexander's avatar

Thank you for pointing that out! And let me add another angle, to the delusion that Israel wants a democratic and free Iran: On March 9, Netanjahu called on the people of Iran to rush out on the streets and take matters into their own hands. On March 10, Netanjahus pet-goy Pahlavi repeated his message.

Before that, Israel and/or the US pretty much destroyed the police infrastructure in all the cities that they bombed, under the pretext that the regime is using the police as a tool of repression. Every police station, investigation department and even special units, like the one responsible for the protection of VIPs, like diplomats and embassies. The police is setting up mobile stations, but those are barely enough to rebuild capacity, especially under such a war and many citizens are reporting, that they can't reach the police at all anymore.

Still, nobody is rushing to the streets and the Israeli-/US-aligned groups are trying, but failing to mount sizable protests and urprisings. Instead relying on criminal gangs to just stage some chaos and riots, to keep security forces busy.

Neither Israel nor the US cared to explain, who and how security will be maintained for ordinary citizens, with the police severly degraded or disabled. The majority of the police in Iran, is just doing that, ordinary police work. People are not showing up because,

a) Those who can, have left for the provinces and rural areas and are not in the cities.

b) Those who still have a home, don't want to go out, because they are afraid of the very serious threat of robbery.

c) Those who have lost everything, are seeking shelter and struggling to survive. According to UNHCR, up to 1 Mio. households are presumed to be destroyed, which would represent around 3 Mio. people displaced inside the country. These are more inclined to join protest that are organized by regime loyalists and sympathizers, out of anger and hatred towards Israel and the US.

So for Israel to have the population take matters into their own hands, they would first need to actually stop the bombing, as ordinary citizens are in survival-mode and regime change is the least of their very existantial problems.

Joshu's Dog's avatar

Engineered chaos you say? I've seen this movie somewhere before! Oh that's right, in Iraq with the total dissolution of the Ba'athist state on the first day of the American "pro-consulate."

Alexander's avatar

This is actually one of the great examples, of how serving Israeli interests, wasn't just non-aligned with those of the US, but actually hurt them. The Americans agree in hindsight, that it was a mistake to completely dismantle the security and intelligence apparatus of Iraq, as it accelerated the destabilization of the country and increased chaos and resistance.

The Israelis agree, that it was the right decision to do, as it increased chaos and destabilized the country ;-)

Joshu's Dog's avatar

Of course. Daniel Levy, former Israeli diplomat, gave an interesting interview where he concurred with what I've been calling the "Tucker Carlson thesis": that this war is an Israeli diplomatic and financial Samson Option designed to sabotage the US influence in the region, and replace it with an Asia-oriented Abraham Accord bloc. In other reports, Japan is looking at buying Russian oil in yuan...

Stilicho's avatar

Israeli call on Iranian people to topple the IRGC regime are as sincere as their call upon Palestinians to "free" themselves of Hamas as Israel exterminate them.

I am not sure why anyone is giving it more value than what it is : the mariage of Holocaust style genocide with the 21th century internet troll mentality.

Hans Torvatn's avatar

That’s because you were the first I have seen to coin such a beautiful phrase… the marriage of Holocaust style genocide with 21st century trolling…

Nigel Christopher's avatar

Depending on it's composition, natural gas condensate is valuable as a feedstock for plastics and other chemicals, particularly if it is high in aromatics, benzene etc.

James Coffey's avatar

It's like watching two trains in the midsts of an imminent collision with each other on the same track and one can do nothing about it other than being a witness to the resulting mayhem and destruction.

It is my perception that Nutty knows exactly what he's doing; his political goal is to establish a permanent state of chaos and unrest in the Middle East. Dumpf? Oh he's like the little boy caught doing something wrong so he blames the other guy with whom he was playing. Pathetic ... an utterly fatuous individual.

Pawel Kasperek's avatar

This will result in multiple crop failures around the globe. LNG is primary resource in production of fertilizers, and Gulf states own fertilizers production is offline Too. Then, diesel fuel for tractors and harvesters also goes up. And same diesel is used in trains and trucks delivering food from field to factory to supermarket. So if you live in first world, prepare for massive price hikes at groceries. If you live precariously in the third world, prepare for food riots or hunger.

Sarcastosaurus's avatar

It's a total mess, about to ruin the harvest of 2026 - world-wide.

Utter idiotism.

Jan Mouchet's avatar

And oil from the caribean? Perhaps help

Alexander's avatar

After allowing Russia to sell their product again, the US is pondering to "unsanction" Iranian oil. Besset is bragging, that thereby they are beating Iran by using Iran, to let them sell oil, so that oil prices are lowered and Iranian leverages shrink.

Truly, a magnificent 4D chess move.

And while there are reports, that the Arabs are uniting to confront and attack Iran. A surprisingly honest and critical comment from Oman towards the US: https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2026/03/18/americas-friends-must-help-extricate-it-from-an-unlawful-war

The superpower has lost control of its foreign policy, writes Badr Albusaidi, Oman’s chief diplomat.

While 12 percent of Irans capacity in South Pars have been degraded. Qatar says, that Iranian retaliation have degraded 17 percent of their capacity for the next three to five years.

Simonjakob's avatar

Gulf states are entirely useless , they already helping Isrsel and the US with everything they can since 30 days ago , actually they should blame only themselves , they worked since 2011 to destroy everyone so thry can enjoy their oil in peace , now they reap what they sow as it is their turn , thry thought Israel would leave them alone if they only helped and served , now like the US they are goung to find out what does it mean to empower those people and serve them for free.

If they join the war openly on Iran it will serve nothing but divert the focus from Israel to them which is what Israel wants , to it into a long term Arab Iran war , just like they did in Iraq-Iean war and the second gulf war

Andrii's avatar

This all looks like a very clear practical demonstration that "mutually assured destruction" can be asymmetric and not involve any nukes.

What could go wrong if you corner someone with lots of missiles sitting right across the gulf from the place the whole world economy depends on? What could go wrong indeed...

Stilicho's avatar

I am going to be intentionaly provocative. But truly, why should Israelis care if their action provoke suffering to billions of souls accross the world ?

And why should they care about Indians well being, out of all people. It is not as if Indians rank particulary high, or even average on the Western racial hierarchy.

We are talking about a nation which commiting how many genocide right now ? 3 with its new war of annihilation on Iran and Lebanon. A society which not only commits genocide on near absolute consensus on the Palestinian nation but also made a point to broadcast it to the entire world. A society those popular leaders have already publicly stated they have 3 additional nations they intend to exterminate : KSA, Qatar and Turkey.

I know I am souding like a broken record by repeating myself, but is was obvious from the onset that allowing the genocide of Palestinians to happen would have catastrophic result to humanity.

Not due to some naive sense of morality but because once such atrocities are allowed to happen, they never stop by themselves. Same with imperialistic regime.

Both US and Israel (which undisputably controls the former anyway) are now drunk on their power and have limitless imperial ambitions. On top of the genocides they are commiting.

See for exemple Trump who is already froathing about doing to Cuba what the Israeli did to Gaza.

I dont have words strong enough to qualify the GCC countries. And all which cross my mind are obscene beyond what can be tolerable in a comment section. They turned themselves into the primary tols of their own destruction by becoming simousteniously a launching pad for Zionists aggression, Zionists who have repeadly stated their intention to destroy GCC countries next, meat shield for Zionists and petrodolar cashcow for Zionists who are milking them dry.

And what can be said about leaders who thougrougtly normalize the butchering of the brothers Arab nations yet somehow, not only convinced themselves they would escape such fate, but even believed they belonged to the cool club of white leaders commiting the massacre.

I saw someone comparing the GCC todays BS statement to the behavior of old Andalus Taifas. But as stupid as those Iberian Muslims leaders were, none were under the illusion they belonged to the cool club of Christianity. I dont think there ever was such stupid and degenerate leaders before.

Hans Torvatn's avatar

You wrote: «Both US and Israel (which undisputably controls the former anyway) are now drunk on their power and have limitless imperial ambitions. On top of the genocides they are commiting.» Add to that Israel’s paranoia.. really a frightening cocktail. The question is of course whether or not USA overstretches. Israel will not, but the value of having USA as your attack dog is limited if it cannot work. Or worse pay your bills.

James Touza's avatar

It seems “Exceptionalism” can cover any and every situation. Especially if it involves a chosen people and chosen country as in, Israel and the USA. Israel has been telling this tale for a few thousand years, USA for a few hundred, but both stories are the same. The New and Old Jerusalems linked in the same divine reason to be, and the world suffers from the consequences.

Sarcastosaurus's avatar

...where, 'Israel/Israelis' - have very little to do with the Israelites from 2000 years ago. which is why I would shorten the age of that tale to some 80-130 years.

Hans Torvatn's avatar

Yes, exceptionalism can cover almost everything… until you are exceptional no more. But that is not today.

AZZE's avatar

This is a crucial point to consider: most of the Israelites mentioned in Islam and the Quran are generally of Arab origin. Abraham, for example, the patriarch of the Israelites, is considered an Arab. He lived in Mecca and built the Kaaba, to which Muslims make pilgrimage, along with his son Ishmael. Herein lies a fact that may be surprising to some: Arabs are descended from Ishmael, whose grandson was the Prophet Muhammad, the last of the prophets. Ishmael was also a descendant of Abraham, who had another son, Isaac, from whom the Israelites descend. Isaac was also known as Israel, and his descendants are called the Children of Israel. Isaac had no other son besides Jacob, from whom all Israelites today are descended. However, what is surprising is that most of the Israelites embraced other religions after the advent of other prophets. Some even converted to Islam, knowing of a prophet to come named Muhammad, as foretold in their scriptures. Therefore, you will find that most of the inhabitants of the Middle East and Islamic countries in general are descendants of Ishmael, who represents the Arabs. Here, I am referring specifically to the urban Arabs. The Arabs were inhabitants of the countryside and villages who worked in trade at that time, as well as Arab Jews from the descendants of Isaac and Jacob. But now you find them as Muslims, and the greatest proof is the Palestinians now. A previous DNA analysis indicated that the Palestinian people in general are from the descendants of the Children of Israel, or they are originally from the sons and grandsons of Isaac and Jacob, from whom this lineage came. Here the matter is shocking. Doesn't this mean that anti-Semitism should be defined to include within it also the hostility towards Arabs and other peoples, such as the Armenians, who are also from the Semitic peoples? And in a shocking paradox, for example, you will find that the State of Israel prevents DNA analysis for all Israelis because they are originally Europeans who converted to Judaism, just a conversion, and they have no connection to the descendants of the Children of Israel. This matter goes back to after the collapse of the Khazar Jewish kingdom in the Caucasus, which, after its collapse due to internal wars, Judaism moved as a religion and belief to the countries of Europe and spread among a minority there.

RSentongo's avatar

I dont blame Qatar or any other Gulf country struck by Iran for militarily responding back tbh.

Hans Torvatn's avatar

I understand that and agree, but can we understand that Iran attacks US bases in the region. With the predictable spill over… and the understandable reactions… the conflagration increases as we understand the actors. Sigh.

Hans Torvatn's avatar

Thank you for the update and thank to you fellow readers for interesting comments. Important news, quite depressing. Our national broadcaster mentioned attacks on South Pars today, but not in a way that explained what was going on. So I am afraid Tom’s schedule here holds for Norway.

AZZE's avatar

I completely agree with you on this matter, especially since Western politicians, particularly Europeans, will be the first to suffer from this war. Furthermore, if the participation of Qatari or Emirati Mirage 2000 aircraft is confirmed—and I suspect they belong to the UAE, which could be described as another Israel—all of its infrastructure will be targeted and destroyed. This is especially true given that the UAE has suffered the most damage after Israel, and its location makes it difficult for them to defend themselves. Moreover, Israeli attacks also harm even its allies, such as India, which is considered the biggest loser from these recent operations, including the targeting of crucial nitrogen fertilizer production facilities in the global agricultural sector. In short, it seems that Israel is running out of options, so they don't mind making the world suffer along with them, especially since the first to be affected are their American and European allies, followed by their Asian allies, specifically India.

Donald Hill's avatar

Isreal calls for a popular uprising in Iran. Isreal told US diplomats that Iranian protesters would get slaughtered if they take to the streets against their government.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2026/03/17/israel-iran-cable-revolt-slaughtered/

Hermetics's avatar

Neither Israel nor the US gov care two bits about the Iranian people.

Alexander's avatar

Don't forget the Islamic Regime as well.

Instajoule's avatar

One thing we know by now is that if Trump feels the need to specify that someone is "very" innocent, they almost certainly aren't.

I'm not a military aviation expert but given that Iran is actively flinging ordnance across the Gulf I'm not sure I would automatically conclude that a lone Qatari jet sighted over home territory is on an offensive mission.

StraightTalk's avatar

Originally tribal or pagan or Hindu or non believer as per abrahamics

Converted by American evangelists who were given a free pass by Indian prime minister nehru who was an anglophone and pretty much a British lackey